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Paragon’s draft penalty explained by Epic and it’s mad

ParagonSorry. Someone else is playing your favourite hero. Let's screw over the whole team.

Despite the Paragon v27 changes being less than enjoyable, I have persevered to see if I am missing something. Sadly I am not. I talked about the draft system in my recent article and today Epic has revealed the penalties applied to players and they are just bizarre.

When in the draft, if a player doesn’t pick a hero, all players are kicked out and a new queue has to be entered. I was starting to wonder why it was taking so long to find matches after failed drafts. Here’s why.

If a player fails to pick, ALL players who were in the draft lobby are penalised, not just the player that failed to pick. The penalties are as follows:

Draft Lobby Dodge Penalty:

  • 1st Dodge – 5 min
  • 2nd Dodge – 20 min
  • 3rd Dodge – 60 min etc.

So even if  you have picked a hero and another player failed to pick, you would get penalised for the above times. This is just insane because this is happening a lot because players can’t play the hero they want. Epic explains why it’s like this:

“We implemented it this way to avoid scenarios where players can dodge unfavorable comps with a ‘back up’ player or account that is not penalized and can hop in. While this may not happen all the time, we wanted to go forward with the design to reduce dodged lobbies and provide more matches for players.

“Our goal with implementing the Draft Lobby was to assist players in coordinating team compositions, there is an understanding that people may still be inclined to leave lobby maybe for malicious reasons or not. I am happy to explicitly state our penalty times, we will be releasing a more comprehensive blog post regarding our tools for dealing with AFK/Leavers/Toxicity in the future. The initial dodge will prompt players with a warning and then the penalties that are listed below will follow with each additional dodge.”

It is getting to the point that it’s not even worth attempting to find a match just in case some idiot pulls out of the draft. All in all, I have spent about 30+minutes trying to even get into a draft this evening. When I eventually did get in one of the team abandoned the game after 20 minutes even though we were winning. If Epic want to deal with Toxicity then perhaps address this now because it’s making the game rather toxic.

The free Paragon beta weekend is about to start and I have feeling there’s going to be a lot of frustrated players that simply won’t give Paragon a second chance. It’s a shame, the game was shaping up so well until v27.

Update: Epic got in touch to make sure everyone is clear on how this is working and wanted to share the following:

“This is only correct for players who are in a party; “random” players paired with a player who leaves will not be affected. This shouldn’t have an impact on a player unless someone they know makes the decision to bail.”

I will point out that while testing this last night, this appeared not to be the case. I appeared to have been penalised for five minutes while not in a party so perhaps the system is a little off at the moment.

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  • Elly Davis

    Absolutely ridiculous. That’ll explain why the one night I played the patch it took ages to get a game because I had two tries where someone failed to lock in a character. I thought it was the usual queue issues.

    This bit makes no sense

    “We implemented it this way to avoid scenarios where players can dodge unfavorable comps with a ‘back up’ player or account that is not penalized and can hop in. “

    • waswat

      Huh, weird. Almost sounds like a typical system that should penalize parties where 1 player doesn’t pick; but shit happened and other randoms in the same matchmaking team are affected as well.

      Then again, i suppose paragon’s player pool is so small that party play wouldn’t matter as long as you search a game at the same time you’d be in the same game without being in a party.

  • Justin Jubie Lamb

    Learn how to play other characters people. Come on. It’s not that bad at all. It’s better than smites race to select your favorite character and an instant 30 minute ban if you back out.

    • Elly Davis

      What has learning to play other characters got to do with receiving a penalty if someone else leaves the lobby?

  • umiman

    Are they braindead?

  • Railbydefault

    Am I missing something here? Why would anything like this work in any circumstance? If I see certain players that have gone afk, or are chat spammers I’d quit right away. A penalty to me and my team if I quit, but the dipshit spammers and afk’ers are still in pvp matchmaking….lol.

    What is going on with the direction of this game?

  • rochyroch

    Glad Epic got in touch to clarify things, i read the first bit with my mouth open as in wtf !