Crytek hits back at CIG’s request to dismiss Star Citizen legal case

Crytek hits back at CIG’s request to dismiss Star Citizen legal case

The Crytek vs CIG Star Citizen court documents are still going back and forth, and following CIG’s request that this case is dismissed, Crytek’s lawyers have hit back with a response and it’s firey.

This latest response from Crytek holds no punches and they have outlined clearly in this document why the court should not allow CIG to dismiss this case. The preliminary statement sums it up:

Defendant’s Motion seeking dismissal and other relief is without merit. Rather, that Motion is a blatant effort to impose delay and burden Crytek as it seels to vindicate its rights under its contract with Defendants and its copyrights.

The facts here are straightforward: Plaintiff Crytek GmbH (“Crytek”) granted Cloud Imperium Games Corp (“CIG”) and Roberts Space Industries Corp (“RSI”) (collectively, “Defendants”) a license to use Crytek’s powerful video game development platform, CryEngine, in the development of Defendant’s video game called “Star Citizen”. Pursuant to that Game License Agreement (the “GLA”), Crytek agreed to provide technical support and know-how to Defendants and licensed CryEngine to Defendants at a discounted rate, in return for certain promises from Defendants.

But after accepting Crytek’s assistance  — and after raising record-breaking amounts from video game consumers in a crowdfunding campaign — Defendants began to break their promises to Crytek.

  • Defendants promised that they would develop Star Citizen with CryEngine, not any other development platform. But Defendants now boast that they have breached that promise, and are promoting a competing development platform.
  • Defendants promised that they would prominantly display Crytek’s copyright notices and trademarks within Star Citizen and in any marketing materials for Star Citizen. But Defendants have admittedly breached that promise.
  • Even though Defendants had licensed Crytek’s technology to develop only one game (Star Citizen) they later separated Star Citizen’s feature “Squadron 42” into a standalone game without a license to use Crytek’s technology in two games
  • Defendants promised to provide Crytek with any improvements or bug fixes that they made to CryEngine while developing Star Citizen. Defendants never made a good faith effort to honor that promise.
  • Defendants promised that they would maintian the condidentiality of Crytek’s valuable technology, But they published excerpts if Crytek’s source code unilaterally and shared Crytek’s technology with a third-party developer without Crytek’s approval.

Defendants say this action should never have been filed. Indeed, if only they had kept their promises, the action would never have ben filed. But now Crytek seeks to enforce its contractual rights and copyrights. Defendants deny any enforceable obligation to Crytek and move the court to dismiss Crytek’s claim entirely. Defendants’ argument simpy do not withstand scrutiny, and certainly cannot meet the demanding standard required to obtain dismissal of Crytek’s claims as a matter of law. The court should deny Defendants’ Motion and permit Crytek to proceed so that it may vindicate its rights.

The full document is lengthy and goes into more detail citing more references to specific areas of contention with links to forum posts made by CIG and other cases that may set precedent for copyright infringement. Whether the court decides in favour of Crytek remains to be seen, but if this case is heard in court, it’s going to be one to watch because as more documents have appeared the more confusing it has become.

At this stage, it is starting to look like there will be a fight in court which is not good news for CIG. It’s money that would be dripped away to lawyers and not into the game. Backers will not be pleased if this goes further.

Paul Younger

Founder and Editor of PC Invasion. Veteran PC gamer of over 22 years.

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    • GeminiJ13

      Personally, I think that the motion filed by Skadden is strong enough to withstand the motion to dismiss/strike that CIG/RSI have filed previously. I see enough good counterpoints here for the judge to allow the case to move toward discovery at the very least.

      • Paul Younger

        I tend to agree with you on that. I was a little unsure after the last filing but I think there is enough here. We shall see soon enough.

      • Fundamentalist Daleks

        I just want CR on the stand, sweating and mumbling up a storm. It’ll make such a convenient juxtaposition with edited highlight reels of all his boastful lies about “StarEngine” and claims that CIG has stupidly left for Skadden to help their case. Jurors who have no nostalgic memories of Wing Commander won’t be moved by the anti-charisma of this pathetic wretch who can barely get a coherent sentence out. May he lose his house, Porsche, and trips to Monaco.

        • GeminiJ13

          Hey. I really get that you (and others) are out for some real blood. There are many who believe that Chris and his family and friends are unjustly enriching themselves off the backs of all of us who have contributed to the funding of this project. With the brunt of the lawsuit surrounding copyright claims and breaches of contract, and so on. I don’t think the focus of any trial will shed light on Mr. Roberts and co. financial lives as that has little to do with the proceedings. If we do get some info, great, because we were promised transparency in this area for which we have not been granted as of yet. It’s kinda a shame that a lawsuit has to bring this info to the forefront and not that the company just wants to keep us all in the loop as to the soundness of their financial footing.

          I would think that if the court finds in favor of CryTek; then the damages phase of the trial can begin and this is where the financials of the company will be laid bare for us to see. But this would be years down the road if past cases of this kind are any indication. Remember, the company is on trial here and not the man. In any case, it would be hard to pin down what sort of salary and benefits a CEO of a corporation is actually entitled to. CEO pay is usually very large in the first place with non-crowd funded companies as we’ve all heard in the news over the last 20 years. When was the last time that you heard of a CEO making absurd amounts of money and you thought to yourself…how is that possible given the things that this company actually does? In any case, knowing is better than not knowing and I am really interested in the upcoming proceedings.

          • Fundamentalist Daleks

            Yes, all of this is obvious. Lay off the condescension a bit, I’m just enjoying the mental picture of Mister Mushmouth giving a deposition. It is an awfully amusing one and we’re in for years of painful legal fun. Let the proceedings continue!

            • Rasto

              Someone must have wrecked your childhood pretty dirty way, “Fundamentalist Daleks”

              • Andrew Field

                Should check out the interview with DS it’s ridiculous.

              • GeminiJ13

                Some people are a little over zealous on how certain people should be punished and how deep that punishment should go. This is why we abide by police, laws and a court system. Otherwise, I fear mob justice would have them tear those they dislike limb from limb just for their own personal pleasure.

              • Harold D

                what other kind of Dalek is there?

            • Joe Blobers

              quote:”and we’re in for years of painful legal fun”

              … you mean like decades away of seamless from space to planet….? 🙂

              Story will be over precisely on the 9th of Feb

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                Feel sure enough about that to promise to stop posting on all SC related articles for a month if it doesn’t get thrown out of court on the 9th?

              • Joe Blobers

                Will you when it will be get thrown out of court on the 9th? 🙂 Ready to promise yourself?

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                Lol, wouldn’t have made the offer/challenge if I wasn’t Joe.

                i’ve got more integrity than your idol.

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                Well Joe, it’s Feb 12th and it wasn’t thrown out of court on the 9th.

              • Joe Blobers

                We do not care at large. The 9th, 12th, 30th of december 2018 or 2019. Nobody care. This is going nowhere… another failed prophecy of Doom. Go twitt with the Clown, he needs support 🙂

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                Yea, we see how good your ‘word’ is Joe.

              • Joe Blobers

                As well as yours Ulric 🙂

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                “Joe Blobers Fundamentalist Daleks • a month ago”
                “…Story will be over precisely on the 9th of Feb”

                Ulric L. Wolf Joe Blobers • a month ago
                Feel sure enough about that to promise to stop posting on all SC related articles for a month if it doesn’t get thrown out of court on the 9th?

                “Joe Blobers Ulric L. Wolf • 25 days ago
                Will you when it will be get thrown out of court on the 9th? 🙂 Ready to promise yourself?”

                Ulric L. Wolf Joe Blobers 25 days ago
                Lol, wouldn’t have made the offer/challenge if I wasn’t Joe.
                I’ve got more integrity than your idol.”

                Story ain’t over yet Joe, but Feb 9th has come and gone and it hasn’t been thrown out.

          • Dragon75

            “If we do get some info, great, because we were promised transparency in this area for which we have not been granted as of yet.”

            We were never promised anything of the sort.
            We were promised a transparent development, and the development may not be as transparent as some people want, think it should be or believe they were promised, but nowhere was it said to include their financial status in any way shape or form.
            And we were most certainly not promised any kind of insight into their personal finances.

            • GeminiJ13

              I’m still of the mindset that we should be privy to the deeper financials of a company that we are crowdfunding. Had this game been funded with a traditional publisher/developer roll, I would agree with you. I would be satisfied with a breakdown on employee compensation worldwide as a percentage of the whole. And within that slice that is compensation, a further breakdown that shows 1. Executive compensation 2. Heads of Dept. compensation 3. Regular employee compensation. The above 3 slices would be agnostic and not reveal or distinguish any individual. Do you see any harm in having this information made public? It would be highly useful in understanding how lean of an organization they run.

              I am behind you in that we should be granted access to the deeper development decisions and allowed to weigh in on them. The community knows what it wants and it seems at times CIG are wasting time building things that have no value to us as customers, therefor robbing us of a shortened timeline in finishing the game. All kinds of crazy things can be added in later if we/they want.

              • Dragon75

                While I can understand and even respect that some people would like more insight into their finances, I have to question the value of such insight.
                I mean, what good would it do to know this?

                Many before you have asked for this, and more often than not with the belief that it would somehow silence or at least reduce much of the trolling, hating and other negative crap about the game.

                However I consider it far more likely that all such individuals as mentioned above would just use this to further their agendas to try and discredit CIG and their work.
                And a certain wannabe developer would have a field day with this kind of information and would use it for all it worth to try and hurt Roberts in any way he can.

                Another thing that comes to mind is that with this kid of limited insight into their finances you dont get the whole picture and would cause even more speculation than we already have.

              • GeminiJ13

                I can see your point on this.

        • Joe Blobers

          Quote “Fundamentalist Daleks”: “I
          just want CR on the stand, sweating and mumbling up a storm”

          Your hate is pouring out at every of yours words man… Hate can be a style of life after all 🙂

        • MosesZD

          Hater gonna hate. Did he kill your children?

        • Palonto

          You do realize that he was rich before he started star citizen an CIG? You do know that The dev teams made an engine that can TODAY stream seamless content in game?

          Crytek could not even pay it’s own dev, CIG gave them a Job and treated them right. Those very people modified the engine to what it is today, Star Engine.

          F*CK Crytek, greedy @ss motherf*ckers I hope the people who think they can enrich themselves by trying to twist a contract find themselves bankrupt and hopefully in Jail.

      • I_U

        I’ll be surprised if CIG doesn’t settle before it gets to discovery.

        Pleasantly surprised, to be sure. But CIG seems to believe that the worst thing that could happen to them would be if actual information about their finances and the state of their games came out, so I expect they’ll cut a check to Crytek if that’s what it takes to keep that from happening.

        • GeminiJ13

          Well, since this isn’t criminal court, a settlement can happen at any time and at any place within the proceedings. With no penalties (that the court can impose) as far as I know. What I wonder is if and when this gets to discovery, how much would be allowed to get into the public domain if CIG decides to settle, say, 2 weeks into the discovery/deposition phase? There might be limits on this if a settlement is reached before the discovery phase if finished. Also, even when the discovery/deposition phase is finished there is some time left for both parties to examine each sides discovery and build a defense/offense around that. They could still settle even after that’s all said and done. I left some new thoughts above which you might be interested in reading too.

      • Andrew Field

        Its total bollocks Crytek haven’t got a leg to stand on now lets see what an actual tech lawyer thinks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4HPTs-j3Mk

      • MosesZD

        Since you haven’t actually read the contract, you have no idea if this is factual or BS. Just like the rest of us.

        • Ulric L. Wolf

          https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ej9fqb9BBf8mbd-rhPIiNRK3Rbs5M31o/view

          You’re suggesting CIG filed a false copy of the GLA in their rebuttal?

        • GeminiJ13

          I have read the GLA contract, Moses. And that is why I gave the opinion that I did. I have also taken into account other peoples opinions on that as well, which indicated to me that my opinion was strong enough to say what I said. I didn’t say what I said in a vacuum as I wanted more weight to my argument.

    • T_0_m

      I’m guessing all the SC fans are currently in a state of disbelief that Crytek’s lawyers have come back fighting. I have no doubt that they’ll collectively decide that it’s all rubbish and that Crytek needs the cash so they’re just fishing for some money (because there’s nothing like hiring the best lawyers to show desperation).

      All I can say is that, if this goes to court, discovery is going to be a blast. I can’t wait to see how much money Chris and Ortwin have been siphoning off for themselves (without actually making a game as promised) !!!

      • Paul Younger

        If it does go to court, this will be really fascinating to see I have to agree in that,

        • Andrew Field

          If it goes to court Crytek will have there arses handed to them

          • Mtom

            That’s a bit simplified, but they have very weak odds on most claims.

            • Andrew Field

              I would have put up Leonard French’s breakdown, but its a bit long winded and would have show the amendments that Crytek had to make, thought this would be easy to understand.

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                …French himself states that Crytek appears to have some validity to some of their claims and states it’s a far cry from ‘Crytek having their arses handed to them’

              • MosesZD

                Problem with French is that he hasn’t read the contract(s) that all this is based on. Also, considering Crytek has been in financial difficulty for years now, I’m even more skeptical to Crytek’s case.

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                He, like most of us are reading the documents filed with the court. Cig’s rebuttal reputedly containing the GLA between CIG & Crytek…

              • Dragon75

                Are you implying that the GLA that CIG filed are inaccurate or not the complete agreement in some way?
                Crytek didnt want to file the GLA at all despite being asked at least twice, giving the very clear impression that they were the ones that had something to hide and not CIG

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                That’s what I’m asking Moses, but I’d love to see this source about crytek refusing to file the GLA… Just ignore the fact that normally the contract would come out in discovery.

              • Oddball

                Here’s Another opinion from a tech lawyer, and it doesn’t mater if Crytek win or loose, nobody is going to support them after this, they are killing themselves. The little they may gain is going to be out weighed by what there going to loose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNtuMPzNjk0

      • https://www.torianarmrag.ch Torian Nimorga Armrag

        It’s always the same. “Haters” have Arguments, “Fans” have arguments. Don’t know how to call that better, but I think you understand, what I mean. The Fun part in all that is: If you can look neutrally on both sides, it just depends on how you want understand what’s written. It’s the same Hate/Love-Game that you see always between 2 Fractions; Xbox/PlayStation, Apple/Android, Console/PC. Everyone is not completly wrong, but also not completly right. But the Arguments are always the same, from Fans also from the Opponents.
        Humans are mostly not able to look neutrally on something like that, no matters which “side” was choosen.

        • Fundamentalist Daleks

          Yeah whatever. Everything is the same, and the best law firm in the business is exactly the same as some shyster and his mumblemouth client/partner. blah blah. Go sell that crap on CNN or something.

          • https://www.torianarmrag.ch Torian Nimorga Armrag

            That’s exactly what I talked about. Thanks for give me right, even if you didn’t want to.

          • MosesZD

            Wow, you really are a hater who can’t even appreciate a well-thought-out and neutral response.

      • Cloverfield

        I presume most, if not all, of the discovery material will be considered confidential and not public for a long time.

      • Joe Blobers

        Non, no one is in disbelief. Crystek was of course, 100% sure, come back to try to get some extra cash. But we are safe. The Clown said CIG was in bad shape…. like he said they were going to collapse every single quarters since 3 years or seamless space to planet was decade away 🙂

        All prophecies proven wrong. We will be scared the day he say SC is going to succeed 🙂

        • T_0_m

          I’m pretty sure the only thing which is currently safe is the cash that Chris and Ortwin have siphoned out their companies through various accounting tricks.

          If you think Star Citizen is either safe from this court case or is ever going to be the game which CR has promised then you’re deluding yourself. Pledge MORE !

          • MosesZD

            lol. You people and your made-up ‘facts.’ You know NOTHING about what is going on financially. Literally. Not figuratively. But literally.

            • Palonto

              That’s the fun part. They scream and shout because they want the Financials and are bitter because they can’t have them.

              Meanwhile they can tell us precisely how much they have and how much they “siphoned” away.

              Derek and his cult of “merry” man are so full of bullshit it starting to come out of their mouths.

            • T_0_m

              All we have to go on is the UK financials of CIG, and Erin seems to be very well payed (compared to his employees) – nothing wrong with that – but clearly Chris and Ortwin will be on larger paychecks. Because clearly they need to be rewarded for selling all those JPEGS. They have also done some other buying and selling between their companies, and guess what – Erin seems to be benefiting from that, a lot. God only knows what’s been going on in the US.

              I have links but you won’t like them 🙂

              • Dragon75

                Unless you have links to their financial records, anything you post would be pure speculation.
                Your entire statement is based on the fallacy that because A is assumed to be true then B must be true as well.

              • T_0_m

                Are you a MosesZD alt then?

                You sure you want a link?

              • Dragon75

                No I’m not his alt, what makes you think that?
                Feel free to provide a link, but as I said unless you have links to their financial records, anything you post would at best be guesswork

              • T_0_m

                Like I said, you won’t like it, but have a look: https://dereksmart.com/forums/topic/sc-scoop/#post-5174

              • Dragon75

                Actually I do like it, in the sense that I find it amusing that you would choose that particular person as a source, it certainly game me a good laugh.

                However I thought you might have a link from a serious and reputable source, but clearly you have nothing of the sort.
                That person you link to there is the most unreliable and untrustworthy individual around.
                He spends all his time desperately yet unsuccessfully trying to discredit Roberts and CIG instead of spending it on developing his own game.

                I lost count of the number of times that person has claimed something to be true and been proven wrong.
                Not to mention the personal attacks on Roberts and his family(including, but not limited to Doxxing and claims of lawsuits) to the point where Roberts lawyers had to send a cease and desist to the man.

                But then again I should not be surprised that you would use that individual as a source given your comments here and unfiltered hostility towards something you dont seem to even want to try to understand.

              • T_0_m

                Just a quick life lesson for you – perhaps read something next time before dismissing it out of hand.

              • Dragon75

                Got a quick life lesson for you too.

                When a person with malicious intent tries to discredit what someone else says or does and uses misinformation, lies, obfuscation and even personal attacks on the level that this guy has done(Doxxing, which is searching for and publishing private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.), then people eventually stop listening to that person.

                If that person then eventually does try to say something thats worth listening to, nobody will care about what that person has to say or want to listen because the person has proven themselves to not be worth listening to and people will expect it to be just more of the same.

              • Joe Blobers
              • T_0_m
              • Joe Blobers

                Whatever… you are here to hate and you do it with passion. No problem. Keep going while we backers are doing the game we want to get.

                Go rush and buy one of the thousands Steam discounted games or the next BF5/6/7/8. You deserve it 🙂

              • T_0_m

                Hey Joe, what’s your take on the new roadmap?

                I’m so glad to see that they’ve prioritised the important things, like doing a helmet polish (with helmet lighting fidelity) and character customisation over any meaningful gameplay features.

    • Malakie

      How can there even be a motion when Crytek WENT BANKRUPT and sold off ALL the rights to their engine to Amazon? CIG then re-licensed the technology from Amazon. So where is there any indication of a breach when Crytek DOES NOT OWN the engine anymore?

      • Ulric L. Wolf

        I’d suggest that you don’t sufficiently understand ‘Bankruptcy’ and/or don’t know the necessary information in regards to Amazon’s license deal with Crytek.

      • Fundamentalist Daleks

        Because it doesn’t mean previous contracts are void. There’s a reason nobody pays you to do contract law.

        • Rasto

          There is a reason nobody not only pays you to do a contract law, Dalek, but also doesn’t take any of what you say seriously…

        • Malakie

          Well, I have had some experience in this actually.. and I won my case BECAUSE that company had gone bankrupt and sold off their assets to another company.. and guess what the courts said? Since that company gave up the rights to that actual product and a company using that product needed to continue their own business, then we had every right to re-license with the NEW owner of that product because the OLD owner could no longer support US.

          Up and until Crytek sold off, CIG followed the contract. They did nothing outside it until after that and you can easily check that in public records.

          So I may not be an attorney but based on my personal experience in the past when I went through this myself as a small LLC here in the USA, I think CIG has a good case.

        • MosesZD

          Actually, you really are ignorant. In most contracts there is a clause that terminates the contract upon filing for bankruptcy.

    • Fundamentalist Daleks

      Scam artist Chris Roberts and crap lawyer Ortwin have met their match. May these two bastards burn in space court for their lies and arrogance.

      • Andrew Field

        And your going to look very stupid if it get thrown out of court the contract has been picked apart and the whole claim is BS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4HPTs-j3Mk

        • RonK

          you’re
          Don’t talk about other people looking stupid.

          • Andrew Field

            Ha Grammar Nazi, Is that the best you got, That all fan boy’s have ever got!
            https://www.dictionary.com/browse/your

            • Paul Hawkins

              https://www.dictionary.com/browse/you-re

              No….you just gave an incorrect usage of the contraction. Right forest, wrong tree…

              • Andrew Field

                I was directing at the group of haters not one person hence “your all”
                3.
                (used informally to indicate all members of a group, occupation, etc., or things of a particular type):
                https://www.dictionary.com/browse/your

            • RonK

              You’re good at calling people names, i’ll give you that.

              • Andrew Field

                Didn’t call anybody anything until you started up, as it wasn’t directed at one person, who did I call names, I was pointing out that you lot are all going to look stupid spreading hate if it all goes wrong.

      • Joe Blobers

        Fundamentalist Daleks = a very well long time anti-SC, now switching to pure hater. 3.0 have been released, all prophecies of Doom from the Clown proven false… what is remaining are insults and more obfuscation… Good luck with such profile IRL man 🙂

        • Palonto

          Wow.. @fundamentalistdaleks:disqus guy is realy salty and pathetic. Is he from the school of Smart?

          • Dragon75

            Would not surprise me if he is.
            Saw someone on another article once quote Smart and claim it was true because Smart had said it.

            As a fan and backer I have no problem with people being skeptical or critical, as long as its reasonable and sensible I can understand and respect it
            But the nonsense that these people come with I can only close my eyes and ears to.

          • Joe Blobers

            One of his active followers. He was there at every “dramagate” of past years, including fake 15K and 45K refund… 🙂

    • Michael Andersen

      Just give crytek 100 mill, there still is way to much money to make a crazy good game – right?

      • YeshuaReigns

        Crytek don’t deserve a cent.

    • https://www.idonthaveone.com rattacko123

      Well, I disagree with what Crytek is saying about Squadron 42 (It’s not even out yet, and they haven’t been breaking any ‘promises’ regarding Squadron 42 since they switched to a new engine).
      If CIG is obligated to use CryEngine for Star Citizen then that is indeed breaking the promises for Star Citizen, but not for Squadron 42.

      • Dragon75

        The GLA specifically includes SQ42 as part of the deal for the use of Cryengine.
        So coming now and saying they broke the agreement by separating it are nothing but outright lies.

    • slumdog hundredaire

      My inside sources tell me that Chris Roberts will try to have this case tried in the Daymar System, as the laws favour CIG there.

    • Cloverfield

      Good article as usual Paul. You have clear opinions on the SC matter but they are also refreshing in how that game is usually covered.

    • Rasto

      PC-Invasion pretending to know: “Backers will not be pleased if this goes further.”
      Backers replying: “FU! We DO WANT this to go as far as CryTek wreck and most importantly, Scadden mockery”

      • Andrew Field

        The contract has been picked apart Crytek are full of shit, Why they didn’t include the contract in the original filing until it was made public. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4HPTs-j3Mk

        • Andrew Field

          PC-Invasion are you trying to look like morons or perhaps a little research before you post such miss information, the contract has been picked apart, Skadden is just there for a pay check they don’t care if they win or loose they will get paid what ever.

          • Andrew Field
            • Ulric L. Wolf

              Why is that you link the video he made prior to Cyteks’s rebuttal, instead of the one he made regarding crytek’s rebuttal?

              Seems maybe you should more research yourself.

            • Ulric L. Wolf

              Seems like you should have paid more attention to French’s commentary and done your own research and consider a remedial course in English.

              • Andrew Field

                I watched the whole video I put it up here so people could get an view from out outside, And not from a shit post from a bunch of hater’s, let people make there own mind up from an informed view. Just like all the crap this lot put out on the pod cast from 2015 nothing but pure haters. You would have though they would have learned after they killed there YouTube channel doing shit like this

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                …from your commentary, obviously you didn’t pay enough attention to it.

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                No, that’s just your cranial rectal inversion restricting your vision and oxygen intake… think you can actually post something relevant?

                Or maybe try to apply a little cognitive ability and note the proliferation of posts that were deleted and realize that my replies were to someone who’s posts have been removed.

              • Torb Inator

                You want to study a remedial course in Critical Thinking.

              • MosesZD

                French is not God and he hasn’t read the contracts. He, literally, doesn’t ‘know.’ Rather, he’s giving us educated guesses. That’s all.

              • Ulric L. Wolf

                1> No one in this particular thread is claiming that he is.
                2> He’s using the same ‘information’ provided to the rest of us.
                3> You’re attempting to ‘reply’ to a comment with no understanding of the context in which it was made, as should be evident by the ‘This comment was deleted’ before it.

          • Rasto

            exactly my thinking

            • Andrew Field

              Its all very disappointing what’s going on, Gamers are going to be the one’s who loose out in the end, Crytek goes bust we loose another game engine, And SC could probably ride out the storm and recover but with more delays, I don’t see how this is good for anything or anyone.

          • Paul Younger

            None of the analysis from French are conclusive, Nobody knows what will happen and that’s just the fact of the matter I’m afraid.As backers we need to live with that and let it play out.

            • Andrew Field

              May not be conclusive, As he say in the video its just for discussion, it give us a educated opinion from the outside, and not a one sided article that clearly has a bias against SC

            • Torb Inator

              Get a REFUND

    • Mtom

      Probably goes to court, not clear enough to be dismissed. On the other hand Crytek still have a very weak case here.
      Lots of mental gymnastics on most claims. One or two might stick (CIG didn’t provide bug fixes and/or showed off Cryengine in their show) but Crytek still needs to prove how they suffered financially from these.

      • Torb Inator

        How do you know Crytek have a weak case ? Cretin !

        • Danso Jones

          Because the agreement was posted online, Torb. Those of us that read it, can see that most of what Crytek are claiming, is straight up wrong. For example, it 100% states in the agreement that CIG are free to make 2 titles: Space citizen (renamed to star citizen, which worth noting that the agreement also allowed for the renaming of the titles) as well as Squadron 42. So claiming they had the rights to only 1 title, is false. Crytek haven’t a leg to stand on, in that argument.

          That being said, as Mtom explained, bug fixes and failure to display cryengine were valid points, as was arguably the part about showing off crytek’s code in “bugsmashers”. I’d consider that last one as highly debatable though because as far as I’m aware, the only code we were ever shown was their own code that they had written for their games, and not actually cryengine code.

          Maybe look in to this stuff yourself perhaps, instead of calling people who know more than you, childish names.

        • Mtom

          Nice intelligent answer shows your high IQ friend.. 🙂

    • Wintyr Walton

      They could be just total dicks and say crytek took all the money and now its crytek fault you will never seee a star citizen the pr on this would kill crytek because players everywhere could just boycot any game indevopment with cry engine just to f them over to teach them a lesson in petty lawsuits over an engine that is not good enough and never would be with any sort of devolopment to make a game as good as SC. Some extra periods in that rant would probly help

    • Harold D

      First complaint: relies on the term exclusive and Cryteks incorrect interpretation. The use of the term exclusive in the user agreement is in the section denoting Cryteks obligation to RSI not the reverse. It is not used in the section which denotes RSI’s restrictions in using Crytek. This is one reason that Crytek did not provide the user agreement as requested but RSI had to provide. Complaint 2: Crytek in making the complaint is admitting RSI is not using Crytek, so by their own admission there is no reason to display copyright.Complaint 3 The actual agreement includes Star Citizen and Sq42. It is clearly stated that RSI is permitted to create both games in writing. This is the other reason Crytek has refused to provide the agreement. Complaint 4. The Crytek engine was not able to be fixed in order to suit SC, hence the reason SC moved to Lumberyard.Complaint 5, perhaps there is something here. But I’m guessing, since it is the last complaint mentioned, it’s probably the least significant ‘breach’. Bye Crytek.

      • Torb Inator

        The D strand for Dunce ?

        • Danso Jones

          Wow, get a life “Torb”. What a loser you are. Nothing better to do than sit here and insult everyone who knows more than you, just because you fanatically hate SC? How sad.

          • Palonto

            Yup Signature troll move.

        • Harold D

          Not sure what the D ‘strand for’ implies here? Maybe you meant ‘stand for’? Well played! You win the internets!

    • Spiritrunner

      Is it just me, or does the Crytek reply seem rushed and a bit… unprofessional? It may be that their resident lawyer is less experienced but I noticed it is relying on emotional appeal and language over legal statement.

      They refer to themselves as if they were advertising, stating they were providing a ‘powerful’ engine. Not a product, but a powerful one. As if that should add legal weight somehow. And it is full of typo’s and misspellings as well. i always thought that proper formatting, spelling, and language was of paramount importance to any legal document- contract or court appeal alike. Law is about facts, history, and precision, not emotional appeal and emphatic wording.

      If their lawyer can’t even properly proof a letter to the courts, it presents a potentially weak stance in front of a judge. Any small error can be used to present the question on if there aren’t larger errors as well.