July 8th, 2016

CSGOLotto legal counsel issues statement

CSGOLotto legal counsel issues statement

Inevitably, given the seriousness of their activities, the owners of CSGOLotto have sought legal counsel in the form of Watson LLP. Said legal firm have issued a statement on behalf of CSGOLotto (Trevor ‘TmarTn’ Martin in particular, who is referenced directly), which can be read below.

“First and foremost, Trevor Martin values the support of his YouTube followers, and he is focused on publishing entertaining content for them.

“The ownership interests in CSGO Lotto have been public record since the company organized in December 2015.

“It is important to understand that winners on the website are randomly determined by both algorithms and computer code. The odds of winning games played at CSGO Lotto are not more or less favorable to any players. The company has fail-safe measures in place to prevent any person and any player from independently changing or manipulating the outcomes of any games played.

“CSGO Lotto finds it deeply troubling that statements against both the company and its owners are not supported by facts and lack a serious understanding of “gambling,” as that term is legally defined. In this way, CSGO Lotto is materially different from its competitors who operate other game play websites that may, in fact, cross the line of legality.

“There is also considerable misinformation concerning allegations that CSGO Lotto encourages minors of age 13 to participate in its games. This stems from a misunderstanding of the company’s privacy policy. The policy references minors aged 13 and under due to the company’s compliance with the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act. Contrary to what has been suggested, the company does not condone the usage of its website by minors under 18 years of age and, indeed, players must certify their age at the outset. Furthermore, statements released by the company on prior occasions are consistent with the company’s continued efforts to ensure that it does not collect the personal information of any minor.

“-Coleman Watson, Esq. Watson LLP”

Note that when it says ownership of the site was “public record”, this means it was possible for a member of the public to request business documents pertaining to CSGOLotto from December 2015 onwards. Not, for example, that Martin or Tom ‘ProSyndicate’ Cassell ever made ownership of the site public in their videos.

The next paragraph is addressing suggestions that, as owners of the site, Martin and Cassell may have been ‘playing’ with different odds than everybody else. Nothing has been proven there (the only thing we know for sure is that there is footage of Martin logging into the site as ‘CSGOLottoBot #5’), so no further comment.

The rest is a denial that CSGOLotto constitutes “gambling” as the term is (currently) legally defined, and a denial that CSGOLotto ever encouraged minors to play in their absolutely-not-gambling-coin-flip-skin-lotteries. The CSGOLotto Steam group still calls it “the premiere skin gambling site” though. Weird, huh.

Update 7 July: At least the Steam group used to say that. Like much of the potential evidence in this affair, it has been crudely altered or deleted after the fact. All references to gambling have mysteriously vanished.

Make of all that what you will.

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    • Greg S

      I thought I recall Tmartn mentioning the word “gambling” himself in one of the videos. It may have been in the form of “haha gotta love gambling” or something like that. I can’t find the video now but someone should dig it up because he definitely used the word when using the site himself

      • Skiba

        He literally says “This is straight gambling!”

        It’s in the same video as the CSGOLOTTOBOT5 thing.

      • Quoick

        You can’t dig it up from his channel as he has made all of the CSGO Lotto videos private.

    • PlacidDream .

      “It is important to understand that winners on the website are randomly determined by both algorithms and computer code. The odds of winning games played at CSGO Lotto are not more or less favorable to any players. The company has fail-safe measures in place to prevent any person and any player from independently changing or manipulating the outcomes of any games played.”
      Surrrrrrrre

    • Bob Loblaw

      Get fucked TshitN you hack fraud scumbag

    • Quoick

      Notice the last paragraph of the letter. Look at the image below. One was yesterday, the other today.

      • Ryan sickles

        Devil’s advocate, he addressed this. This is the Private Policy, not the TOS.

        • Quoick

          That is a fair point, no Devil’s advocate about it. It makes more sense in the context of his “apology” video where he makes reference to this exactly (and shows it) but has edited it just before recording and acts like it was there forever. This is exactly the same as what he did with his CSGO Lotto videos. He had no mention of sponsorship, let alone ownership of the site until after he got outed. He then edited all of the descriptions to add “This video sponsored by CSGO Lotto” and then tried to tell everyone that those descriptions had always been like that. It seems to be a habit.

          • Paul Younger

            Yep, caught red handed.

            • Josh Howard

              More than that, the terms of service didn’t exist until Monday.

        • Quoick

          But the lawyer’s letter states “This stems from a misunderstanding of the company’s privacy policy. The policy references minors aged 13 and under due to the company’s compliance with the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act.” How can it stem from this misunderstanding when it was only changed a few hours ago?

      • a_v

        Somehow I think whoever marked these two might have marked the wrong one yesterday and the wrong one today…

    • Stefan Visser

      The lawyer did an publication on “Money Laundering through Virtual Worlds,” Orange County Bar Association, Technology Law Committee, CLE Seminar (2012)… You can say he is kind of an expert, not sure if that is good or not.. At least a bit shady

    • Josh Howard

      REPOST Problem is he was lying to us whilst even making this video… look. This is false, according to the web archives, he had only put up the terms of service on July 4th, 2016. (https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://csgolotto.com/terms-of-use) Yet his site existed way back since -> (https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://csgolotto.com/) SO…. lied to us again and thought we were stupid enough to not spot it..

      • a_v

        Before that he lied to someone else when he claimed that he wasn’t the original owner – he claimed that “at the time” he wasn’t involved with the company, but his name was signed on the articles of incorporation.

    • Hvd

      damage control… they know they are in deep shi*…….lmao

    • kav

      they changed “the premiere skin gambling site” on the steam group to “premier CounterStrike: Global Offensive sweepstakes.” Scumbags the whole lot i tell ya!

    • Teddy

      The legal team miss the point, it may have been public record but the illegal part is the non disclosure.

      • a_v

        That’s just the most obvious illegal part. It’s extremely likely that the skin gambling is judged as gambling and is in violation of several gambling statutes in several areas.

    • zarathustra2k1

      ” The CSGOLotto Steam group still calls it “the premiere skin gambling site” though. Weird, huh.”

      Now altered to say “CSGOLotto is the premier CounterStrike: Global Offensive sweepstakes.”