Star Citizen 3.0 must-fix bugs continue to grow following Gamescom

Star Citizen 3.0 must-fix bugs continue to grow following Gamescom

During Gamescom CIG gave backers a taste of what’s to come in Star Citizen 3.0, and while very occasionally it looked decent, there was a lot not to be impressed with. Our full report recaps everything that happened and we also shared our thoughts as the event wrapped up.

Friday is the day the studio releases their update report and anyone hoping for a load if critical bugs to be squashed to get 3.0 out the door will be disappointed. If Gamescom taught CIG anything, there’s more wrong with the build than they might have initially thought. That ramp crash with the Ursa Rover was classic CIG.

This week’s update chart is as follows and you can spot the increase in issues which will have arisen from Gamescom and getting it into the hands of the public. A couple more “Blocker” bugs were also added this week.

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This week’s ATV took a look behind the scenes of the Gamescom presentation where the team explains what it was like to get the demonstration ready. ATV also includes another installment of the Burndown where the development team all look shattered. It was amusing to see the Miles Eckhart bug (see 7:11 in the video) where he’s curled up in a corner in the fetal position instead of sitting at the table. Perhaps he’s trying to tell us something. Even the NPCs are giving up hope.

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OK!. That’s it! I just want to die next to this bin.

It’s always alarming to see notes such as  “Currently, performance and stability drop sharply once the active players in a server reach 12-15 players”. For a game that is supposed to be aiming for a large persistent universe, CIG could struggle.

Star Citizen development continues to chug along and CIG is still pushing their ship sales to bring in the cash. Nothing changes. 3.0 is now expected in October but don’t hold your breath, it’s looking a little ropey at the moment. 3.0 for 2018 perhaps?

We urge you to throw as much cash at this as possible. Clear your bank out and sell the house. They desperately need the money to make this a functional game because 158 million is not enough.

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  • Comments: 154
    • pmanhart

      “We urge you to throw as much cash at this as possible. Clear your bank out and sell the house. They desperately need the money to make this a functional game because 158 million is not enough.”

      LOL

      • NopeChris

        Best to take mortgages on your house and car. You can pay it backe when you re-sell these valuable collector item ships. Once the game is live people will want to buy ships,e specially the ones that are hard to get. Prices will skyrocket and make bitcoin look like seashells compared to gold coins.

        Also, sell your life insurances, you don’t need them any more. StarCitizen will eventually become a virtual world you can plug into and be immortal. Chris Roberts and his team already work on FaceOverIP and VR. Next is the interface wtih your brain and will come with Alpha 5.0.

        • Joe Blobers

          Hello Citizen2015 how are you… still leaving no sense message to depict Star Citizen backers as total idiot with goals of supremacy? 🙂

          • NopeChris

            I am a Citizen since 2013 not 2015. Why do you call star Citizen backers idiots? That is not very nice of you.

            We all need to do our part to make this project the greatest PC game ever made. See you in the ‘Verse!

    • AStormApproaches

      Good lord what a clusterfuck. Remember, refunds are still available for Star Citizen regardless of when you bought in, but it’s unclear how much longer that will be the case.

      • Joe Blobers

        AStormApproaches is a well known troll rushing every Star Citizen to copy/paste the same crap.

        The same prophecy of Doom suppossed to happen in… 2015 and every quarter since then 🙂

        Meanwhile, the last Gamescom have received even more pledges than last year. More new backers are joinging every month… Pick the opportunity to join before starter package increase 🙂

        • Zetta

          That’s not true at all. They have taken less from their whale sales for this year’s Gamescom and are also sitting at $2 million less for August 2017 compared to August 2016.

          • MT

            The Whale-Well is running dry!

            There’ll be some new fancy ship videos & sales released soon to keep this thing running

          • https://www.dereksmart.org Derek Smart

            Yup. And they had to do TWO flash sales in order to try and boost the post-GC2017 funding. Here are the latest metrics.

            https://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg3531#msg3531

            • Michael Nielsen

              And here was the retard himself

            • Joe Blobers

              False. Flash sales are always done during Gamescom and Citizencon. And it performed better than last 2016 Gamescom…. Hard to hide numbers DS right? 🙂

          • Joe Blobers

            False…

            Real numbers:

            2016= From 2016-08-17 (start of Gamescom) to 2016-08-23: $ 1.560.735 (7 days)

            2017= From 2017-08-23 (start of Gamescom) to 2017-08-29: $ 1.622.475 (7 days)

            2017 is higher than 2016…

            • Tufao

              I wonder what they sold during Gamescon 2016 (the value of the things sold) and what they sold now. But, MOST IMPORTANTLY, how many INDIVIDUALS bought earlier and how many bought now.
              Of course, with that number, we have to take of the formula, to evaluate REAL INTEREST, those who are buying just for the sake of Grey Market, which, let’s be real here, usually are a majority of those who buy these limited-sales JPEG’s.
              I guess CIG is too afraid to deliver such, more meaningful data for evaluation, right? They could prove us wrong and show their ACTUAL success with that. I wonder why they don’t do that.

            • Zetta

              Not false at all.
              In the 11 days since Gamescom streaming started they have raised just over 2 million and the August monthly total is $2.75 million
              Whereas for 2016 they raised $3 million for those same 11 days and had a monthly total of $4.5 million.

              99% of sales to whales.

              • https://www.dereksmart.org Derek Smart

                Yeah, they had a very high total in 2016 due to the massive and blatant lies about 3.0 and the true state of the project.

              • Joe Blobers

                In your dream DS:

                In 2016 up to end of Aug.: $17.767.727
                In 2017 up to end of Aug.: $17.810.118

                Grand total 2017 will be lower than 2016 by a few millions… just tbecause many future backers are on the fence, not so much in crowdfunded concept (SC or any others) or are waiting for things like female character, mining or salvaging….
                But still it is not even sure at 100% as total pledges will depend on 3.0 and announce of a schedule of release for SQ42 Chapter 1.

                Each new patch in 2018 (3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0) bringing new jobs and features will add a bunch of new Backers… That is a Breaking News much better than the one we are still waiting from you and an “anon source” for Gamescom 2017 🙂 … What a joke DS right…. a failure to change 🙂

              • SheaSnake

                DS never stop to be creative as long there is a way to try lying about CR. I picked a comment on another site that clearly show your attempt to create trouble out of nothing:

                Here the sum per year (round up numbers)

                2013= 33
                2014= 36
                2015= 36
                2016= 36

                Everybody can note that the theory of conspiracy is totally fake (what a surprise)… it looks like Backers were expecting 3.0 since close to 2013, not even knowing about it 🙂

                Slow down is due to the numbers of players on the fence waiting to join Star Citizen, all for different reasons: crowdfunding agnostic, waiting for Beta, specific jobs implementation, female character, SQ42 schedule of release.
                I do not even count those who buy a game only after Golds release and mutiple Press review and this alone will count by hundred thousands.

              • Joe Blobers

                Just in case you do not know (or do not care on purposes), all numbers are correct in their respective range as their is a single source anyway… We could pick a month in 2017 which is higher than 2016 and so on… August 2016 higher than 2017? so what…

                Still the amount from Jan to end of August 2017, total pledges is equal to the 2016 :
                In 2016: $17.767.727
                In 2017: $17.810.118

                Tax balance sheet is done by Fiscal year starting from Jan to Dec or July to June depending on rules.

                Not bad despite the orchestrated “delay” drama 🙂

                and your 99% sale to whales… Tufao/Manze Source I guess? 🙂

              • Tinus

                Now if only those numbers could be trusted. Oh wait, they can’t. There fake. But since you are so full of it, I’d suggest you buy a Completionist Package. You’re worth it!

              • Joe Blobers

                Those numbers you said to be fake are used by everybody including Press.

        • Cloverfield

          Joe blobbers is a well known super white knight with zero critic capability rushing every Star Citizen article to copy/paste the same crap.

          The same hopes for release to happen in… 2015 and every year since then 🙂

          Meanwhile, the last Gamescom has even more bugs and problems than last year. More backers are asking for refunds every month… Ask for your refund as soon as possible before CIG runs out of money 🙂

          Hey, this is cool, I can do it aswell!

          • https://www.dereksmart.org Derek Smart

            There is an on-going run on the bank following GC2017. Latest metrics for the https://reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/ Reddit

            https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/904006541325484032

            • Joe Blobers

              … yes including fake one of 16K…. and myself creating just 11 in the past 2 months just to prove this sub have zero credibility…. In theory I got more than 23K$ refunded according to this subredit 🙂

              As truth compliant than Glassdoor employees review 🙂

              DS how many fake account and refund someone can create per days?

          • Joe Blobers

            Cloverfield another Nay-sayers…. desperate about 3.0 coming 🙂

            • Cloverfield

              Joe Blobers another yes-man with zero critical sense… desperate about CIG running out of money 🙂

              … How many time did you already buy jpg ships Joe ? 🙂

              Hey, this is fun!

              • Joe Blobers

                … All of them according to Manze 🙂

              • Cloverfield

                … Get a refund according to Chris 🙂

          • Tinus

            Joe Blobbers is so smart that when Chris Roberts tells him he can fly to the sun if he only flies at night, Joe starts packing immediately.

        • NopeChris

          Starter packages and ships will increase in price. Better buy now. Invest and resell later. Ships will be more valuable when the game releases in 2018 and you can make all money back with profit. If you have life insurance sell that too. you don’t need it because your life will be in the Verse!

          Joe and me will be flying together in virtual worlds while others try to pay for ships and we will hire you to work for us on our Mega Sapceships!

          • https://www.oxize.nl Oxize

            “When the game release in 2018”. Are you out of your mind? Dont expect to see this game out of beta until end 2019/2020.

            • NopeChris

              It will probably even release this December, most likely as EarlyAccess Minimal Viable Product. MMOs take time and they grow while people play so this is all normal.

    • NopeChris

      This is perfectly normal. Big testing events will always increase the bug list. This is good. It means 3.0 will be polished and stable. They are still on track time-wise, no one that knows how game development works did expected 3.0 before 2018 any way.

      • ecg

        “polished and stable”?…The TV show Mythbusters did prove at one point, that yes indeed you can “Polish a Turd”

        • NopeChris

          And Chris Roberts has proven that gullible gamers will pay millions for it. He is a genius.

      • samplerico

        Oh yeah? how many years of development have you in triple A projects? Have you, any idea?

        • NopeChris

          Normal AAA i would say 3-5 years from concept to release.

          StarCitizen is different though. It’s a AAAA (Quadruple A) game with technology never seen before and never done before in this world. So i would say about 10-15 years is realistic.

          • samplerico

            No Dickhead, how many years of experience have you in the industry to talk as if u were a profesional?

            • NopeChris

              15 years at SONY and 5 years somewhere i can’t talk about yet.

              PS: Insults just make you look like a loser.

              • samplerico

                15 years at sony??? what was your title?

              • NopeChris

                I came from Machine Learning & Big Data and went on to Associate Director Business Intelligence > Director > Sen. Director > Vice President Growth & Innovation

                Went up the corp. ladder fast since not many people had ML & BD skills back in the 90’s. I was one of very few people that had intimate knowledge in OLAP/MOLAP and MDDBs. I graduated in Mathematics and CS. good luck doxxing me 😉

              • samplerico

                Even if i was a 10 years old and i could believe all that made upstory. What has that to do with videogame development???? Nothing. Great. Now stfu, stop patronizing random people in internet to fullfill your frustrated ego, and get a life, dickhead.

              • NopeChris

                You sound angry. Are you mad because i have had a career and made enough money to never work again or are you mad you are a loser that will never be anything but a small little angry troll on internet forums?

                You realize that Video games are not just pretty pictures right? There are people other than artists working on video games. Obviously the one that has no clue about video game development is the one throwing around insults.

                I have a very nice life, thank you.

              • samplerico

                Yeah yeah, whatever, you are the boss. Congratulations. Bye now.

              • NopeChris

                Thank you! I am not the Boss any more, i am retired and only work for fun.

          • https://www.oxize.nl Oxize

            Hope they update engine(or use other engine)/netcode and not building on old stuff if you have such timeframe.

      • I_U

        Maybe the next concept sale CIG has should be for a new ground vehicle shaped like a set of goalposts. No steering, no brakes, just get in and keep moving forward into the future, forever! 😛

      • Tinus

        Yes, and by the time they are finished with polishing, it will be shinier than the sun. Luckily, Chris has just teamed up with a new partner that can provide you with the special CIG Shined 3.0 Sunglasses. Since sunglasses are Facewear too, right?

        • NopeChris

          That’s a good idea, i bet they can sell the backers special StarCitizen Sunglasses for $100+ that have been made for pennies in China with the same Backers money. Genius!

      • Tufao

        Yes. This development is perfecly normal considering all the developments who crashed and burned eventually.

        • NopeChris

          That is because if you develop the worlds first AAAA (Quadruple A) game that will revolutionize PC gaming and develop new technology that has never been seen before you also make more mistakes. All perfectly normal. Einstein tried many formulas like M=cE^2 and c=Em^2 before he finally found the right formula E=Mc^2.

    • Bjørn Sandåker

      Miles Eckhart is a drunk slob, so he curls up on the sidewalk. Who’s surpriced?
      Seriously, bugs are expected in an alpha version.

      • Tufao

        Talking about drunk slob, by 2013 you had 108 ships, mostly vaporware still today… all them vaporware, considering that they are just running, badly, in a tech demo/prototype environment that is just called “alpha” for marketing purposes and to pretend that they progressed.
        I wonder how many more you had today.
        Well… I am not surprised by your comment.

        But maybe we are both outdated. Why to call alpha when Chris Roberts told that 2.6.3 is major than 1.0, that the game is out there and there is no “release” concept? Oh… wait… That would make SC imune to reviews… “always under development, never finished, can’t review”!
        Nice try Roberts. But you failed, patheticaly, again.

    • Tinus
      • Joe Blobers

        “excellent explaining”? We just see the same conspirary theory… while the simple and single answer is… Game in development 🙂

        • Tinus

          Game in development. Dear god, you’re still sticking to that mantra?

          • https://www.dereksmart.org Derek Smart

            He’s the leader of the Star Citizen Defense Army. He’s in EVERY SINGLE news article about the game. We just ignore him now; and you should too.

            I wrote an extensive article about the GC2017 disaster. The project is in worse shape than most people actually realize. Get a refund!

            https://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5685/

            • Joe Blobers

              The “we” of DS is him and ten trolls and alts. All predictions proven false since 2015. Prophecy of collapse with date… 90 days top… renewed every quarter since close to 2 years and half… and nothing 🙂

              The Idris Frigate… said to be not being flyable… we got a battle of TWO in the same live instance 🙂

              “Seamless from space to Planet decades away”… seen in 3.0 pre-build by 30.000 Twitchers, played by independant journalists and youtubers and very soon available to all Backers in 3.0…

              The refreshing thing is that a prophecy by DS never turn to be true. The day he shoots Star Citizen is released tomorrow we would be scared 🙂

              So much articles, some much “expertises”… so much wrong and disregarded by all backers. Even long time dissenters (except trolls of course) start to tell DS to move away and stop his almost full job daily action he called “opinion” (thousands of twitt, emails, comments in jsut few years, all against CR) because of his noticeable toxicity…

              What a shame…

              • Tinus

                Yes, it is a shame that some people still cannot see Scam Shitizen for the scam it has turned into. Pity…

              • Joe Blobers

                A 5 years scam of now +428 team members throught 5 studios and +600.000 Backers 🙂

              • Tinus

                Finally, you’re seeing the thruth! Hallelujah. That’s a major step for you, I get that. Now, please turn to a local support group for help with detaching yourself from the hype. Take it in slow steps, but not too slow because the time left to get a refund is closing. But I praise you for seeing the light nevertheless. That such a white knight cultist fanboy as Joe Blobers admits out of his own free will that Derek Smart was right, wauw. Just wauw.

              • Joe Blobers

                …. You are pathetic man 🙂

              • Tinus

                Not as pathetic as someone who not only still believes Scam Shitizen will ever see the light of day, but actually also tries to defend that point of view.

              • Tufao

                And these 428+ team produced just THAT? With all that money and time?
                LoL
                #notascam
                Just a marketing scam of course.
                A dev of “something” has been done… not the game-as-promised… just whatever 1% of that to make people swallow.

              • Joe Blobers

                So we dropped from 5% (quote:”to deliver this 5% of bugged mess, nonsense” to 1% in a matter of less than an hour between now and your last comment? 🙂

              • Tufao

                5% is a far far away future.
                1% is what will be WHEN 3.0 comes out and they probably will pretend that as the game-as-promised, just as they have been pretending now?
                Have you saw their answers to the consumer authorities. That’s exactly what they do. They pretend to have released most of their promises
                LoL

              • VorpalChicken

                “The Idris Frigate… said to be not being flyable… we got a battle of TWO in the same live instance :)”

                Sorry m8, but the 10 FPS that the game was showing, is kinda not flyable let alone playable, considering the rigs they were using were ultra high end as well, normal users will lag way harder when you factor network lag into it.

                Personally after the amount of time and money they’ve had from us backers we should be seeing a way better quality of game than we were shown, and the presentation was a total joke, how many bugs did they end up showing to the public? For a scripted demo they got it way way wrong.

              • Joe Blobers

                Bugs? 2. Crash server and Ursa rover crish by Idris Ramp.

                10FPS? not really… did you have a n FPS counter? 3.0 was amazing and do show what 3.0 is going tob… after they iron out remaining bugs. For those eager to play here and now… they are ED and NMS or MS Andromeda. Backers looking to build something nobody else is doing know what Alpha mean.

              • Tinus

                Yes, and what a spectacular fight it was. If I hadn’t bought everything already – twice – I’d buy it all for a third time. Just to make sure it’ll be the BDSSE. Come, join me 🙂

              • samplerico

                Yeah Two Idris and 4 Galdius ad 10 FPS with 10 people in the instance, with no AI whatsoever, a real acomplishment 2 years after they showed the Idris interior for the first time… is this a joke? They already said two years ago they wanted like hundreds of people with multiple capital ships in online batles… this is definitevely a joke.

              • NoEresTuSoyYo

                Joe Blobers is living in denial

              • Joe Blobers

                If you say so it must be right 🙂

              • Tinus

                See, there are moments when you can admit to the truth. That’s the second time already. Baby steps, Joe, baby steps. Keep it up!

              • Joe Blobers

                Pathetic trolling Tinus really.

              • Joe Blobers

                Samplerico and two years ago you did not knew about Dsmart? Frontal attack does not match so much those day. More subtil approach is required right? Problem is that Readers are not waiting for the next comments of DS or JB… they are patiently waiting for next major patch 3.0.

                12 guys in 2012 and 6 M$ that some want to compare on purposes (guess why…) to Publishers with Billions revenues and thousand of dev at day one…

                CIG is not late, have a good year of cash ahead and team and pipelines at full speed to deliver in 2018 the remaining 4 patch.

                Gamescom was amazing and that show in Reddit with close to zero thread about “delay” despite having no mre date beside Sept or Oct.

                2018 is going to be a great year for backers and CIG 🙂

              • Tinus

                It will be a most spectaculair downfall to watch, that’s true!

            • Tinus

              Hi Derek, motto here 🙂

            • samplerico

              Derek Smart since you are here, can i ask oyu a quesiton? First off, im been very critique with the game the last year or so, i think its starting to be worrying and concerning. We don’t have core mechanics, and they are trying hard to stacking tech demos above tech demos that doesn’t work properly and doesnt look good for the future as CryEngine has proved to not been a good engine for this kind of project, along with other problems and concerns ive already posted in oficial forums.

              But i always thought You and Chris Roberts have a long personal story thats going beyond Star Citizen. From where you guys know each other? and why you guys seems to have that personal dispute?

            • Joe Blobers

              You DS are clearly not the leader but leading a permanent attacks against this unique Crowdfunded Backers project and what you still can’t swallow is that Backers are doing this project… with zero revenues to you who self-appointed the saver of Star Citizen through yours out of ground blog and comments 🙂

              Get a life! 🙂

          • Joe Blobers

            Copy/paste what ever links you want. The guy “MTBFritz” like DS does not represent the +600.000 backers opinion…. quite the opposite.
            +2M$ in a week and half. More than last Gamescom in 2016 while a guy in a forum get full negative…. just to say how people care about nay-sayers 🙂

            You do not even realize how such comment like “Game in development. Dear god” deserve your comment…. Readers are not stupid, far to be and more mature than you think.

            • Tinus

              MTBFritz does however sees it as it is. A quality a lot of fanboys the likes of you are clearly missing.

              • Joe Blobers

                Of course… you clearly support Nay-Sayers… are you going to say they are wrong 🙂 Still this guy is missing the reality.
                More backers and more pledges despite the orchastrated “drama” about everything CIG is doing or not doing…. everything is wrong whatever they do 🙂

            • HotNSpicy

              “More than last Gamescom in 2016”

              According to the public funding spreadsheet (https://goo.gl/DJf3gS), in August 2017 CIG received $1.7m less in funding than August 2016, and it was a record low August for them at $2.75m.

              • Joe Blobers

                Real numbers:

                2016= From 2016-08-17 (start of Gamescom) to 2016-08-23: $ 1.560.735 (7 days)

                2017= From 2017-08-23 (start of Gamescom) to 2017-08-29: $ 1.622.475 (7 days)

                2017 is higher than 2016…

              • Tinus

                Real numbers. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh man, you are killing me here!

              • HotNSpicy

                “2016= From 2016-08-17 (start of Gamescom) to 2016-08-23: $ 1.560.735 (7 days)
                2017= From 2017-08-23 (start of Gamescom) to 2017-08-29: $ 1.622.475 (7 days)
                2017 is higher than 2016…”

                Why pick seven days, from the day AFTER Gamescom starts? It is open to trade and public for 5 days, while the media write news articles for days before and weeks after.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamescom (2016: 17th-21st. 2017: 22nd-26th)

                The past 14 days of funding (today’s Sep 3rd):

                2016 (Aug 17th to 29th) = $3.2m
                2017 (Aug 20th to Sep 2nd) = $2.3m

                Compared to 2016, CIG’s 2017 Gamescom appearance was a bust.

              • Joe Blobers

                From Jan to August:

                In 2016: $17.767.727

                In 2017: $17.810.118

                We can play the game to pick a week or a month versus another year. Sometimes it will be higher or lower.
                What count is the total at the END of the year. Pledges are equal. so far between 2016 and 2017… But they won’t stay equal as I already said in February. 2017 will be lower than 2016 by few millions. That will have zero impact on CIG capacity to deliver.

                Many players did not yet pledged for a starter package (no one is forced to spend one extra cents or bigger ships) either because they did not know about SC or because they decided to wait for the jobs they are looking for, female character, or overall gameplay hence closer to Beta.

                Those pledging now and at each major patch from 3.0 to 4.0 by end of 2018, will have a shorten time to wait till Beta, as long
                as you accept to not get a fully working product due to ongoing
                development.

        • Cloverfield

          Rubish blind defense? We just see the same white knighting… while the simple answer is… game in development hell 🙂

    • NoEresTuSoyYo

      It is not coming in September, neither October ….

      But you already know that, right?

      • Joe Blobers

        And because CIG prefer tho fix bugs rather than to follow Publishers practices the planet is going to stop rotating? … Because they do rotate now in 3.0 which created a few more bugs… Backers were asking for and CR did it…. Thanks CR!

        Crowdfunded versus Publishers model. +2M$ in a week and half… This is the eennnd… 🙂

        • Tufao

          Publisher practices can be bad sometimes, but they are exponentially better for the consumers than this. This is just a guy taking advantage of the crowdfunding. It’s a freaking marketing scam. A shame.
          Curiously, that is what the Vice of Roberts said in 2013:

          https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-06-23-how-indie-film-financing-could-shape-the-future-of-games

          “However, as many commentators have pointed out, if crowd funding is to
          mature as an alternative funding source for games of all budget sizes,
          it will ultimately need to include safeguards against insufficient
          planning or plain abuse. Several projects, even some with raises in the
          seven digits, have failed already to deliver on their promise.”

          Even the guy behind Star Citizen acknowledged, by that time, when was convenient for him, that what they have been doing along the years would be nocive for the crowdfunding.

          Insufficient plan AND plain abuse is EXACTLY what have been happening with the advertising machine of this project.

          • Joe Blobers

            Quote Tufao:”Insufficient plan AND plain abuse is EXACTLY what have been happening with the advertising machine of this project.”

            Any senior manager with International project knowledge would give hats off to CR for managing such difficult situation from a 12 team guys and 6M$ to +428 and 158M$.

            CR and his brother did managed the situation more than well. Only those who enjoy destroying thing rather than building or those with zero education toward finance and business can have an attitude like yours Manze.

            2017 end of August gathered the same level of pledges (in fact a few 100K$’s more) than last year, despite the “drama” orchestrated by a handfull of guys… keep going man 🙂

            • Tufao

              Any senior manager with or without internatinal project would have fired both long ago. And that has nothing to do with what I posted anyway. A lot of bs, far from reality and that has nothing to do with what I posted. Nobody should underestimate your capacity to make your community more ashamed.

              • Joe Blobers

                Your pages of comments since the last 4 years said a lot about you Manze and one of them is that you are not geared to know what a board of Directors would have done 🙂

                Hanger has never given to anyone the missing education unfortunately…

              • Tufao

                Still unable to answer the Original Post I see. Good.

        • NoEresTuSoyYo

          That’s why they showed a bugged and scripted tech demo just 6 days ago, right? But it was coming in June, right?

          And Charles Ponzi got many million dollars in a matter of weeks too …… this is the end

    • Michael Andersen

      who would have thought

    • Marty

      WOW, you realize if this is a scam, you could be libel for saying give them more money. Amazing, always thought sites like you were for the gamer not the company!

      • Yo Homie

        The article was being facetious. They weren’t actually instructing you to do that….

      • Paul Younger

        Obviously not everyone gets sarcasm.

    • MT

      What I don’t ever understand is why does all the cool stuff (flying people around as a group, capital ship combat, sandworms, decent free-range planetary exploration) only happen during scripted events and on-stage demos?

      Why haven’t people been able to play and explore a planet themselves, in a group (this is an MMO after all)?

      The 15 minute server restart farce was a joke

      • Yo Homie

        You answered your own question with “demo” and “scripted events”.
        What they showed this year isn’t live for people to play .. the content they showed is the literally the content they are actively working on, and it hasn’t been patched into the game yet.

        15 minute server reset at GC was so new people trying the demo could have fresh start and access the ships etc for their demo… That is not going to be in the live game when 3.0 hits….

      • Joe Blobers

        Coming with 3.0. This is weeks away. If you are pessimistic, 2 months…. but it is right there at the corner, not in 10 years, not never 🙂

        • Harbinger73

          Yeah, Yeah. You were saying the exact same thing at the beginning of May (utterly convinced it would be out at the end of June) when I predicted that 3.0 would still not be released by Gamescom.

          Keep on trying to convince people they can actually reach that carrot on a stick Joe.

          • Joe Blobers

            … and that current 3.0 is muche bigger than depicted one before.

            That does not scare no one. You really must be desperate to come in “numbers”… well numbers is just a thing for those who like to manipulate them like those fake refunds or Alts/sockpuppets accountsthat pop up conveniently at the same time and nicely ask each others to share link… 🙂

            That do not lure no one man 🙂

            • Harbinger73

              There’s no organisation here, just an ever growing amount of dissent from normal people who are fed up to the back teeth of the constant deception that you’re blind to see (or wilfully ignoring).

              Why you feel the need to defend CIG on every single article is beyond me. Honestly if Chris told all the backers to go f**k themselves you’d be on here telling everyone this is a good thing and we should be happy about it.

              How much do CIG pay you for damage control by the way?

              • Joe Blobers

                Quote;”Why you feel the need to defend CIG on every single article”

                Why you (or others alts and very few numbers of real guys) feel the need to attack CIG on every single article is beyond me as well…. 🙂

              • Harbinger73

                Ahh the old turn your question around on the person asking routine huh? You literally have nothing.

                Shill away white knight, shill away.

        • Tufao

          You are saying “weeks away” for months now!
          LoL

      • Joe Blobers

        Quote MT: “The 15 minute server restart farce was a joke”

        A farce by what criteria? the one to allow many people to try SC or do you mean that WOW would let guys create an avatar and play during 6 consecutives hours… or leave their avatar after 1hour to someone who is lost or do not want to follow this path…. Do you know the puprosed of a demo at Gamescom?

        People were able to explore together… during 15 minutes. CIG is one of the single company to let several times a year, anyone download an Alpha game and try it… which is obviously very buggy… Kudo to CIG!

    • Michael Nielsen

      Lets all take a min to look at Derek call another gaming site for Nazis… https://as.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6xil2n/derek_smart_insults_gamestardeagainthe_interview/

      Or that he called the VP for a notably hysterical, psychotic and an all around horrid person
      https://as.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6x1q05/dks_on_twitter_this_is_true_since_sandi_is_a/

      Cant wait till they fuck you so much in curt Derek

      • HotNSpicy

        Derek Smart = internet nutjob.

        The subreddit you linked = hundreds of internet nutjobs.

        Every Star Citizen article’s comments section = guaranteed popcorn entertainment!

    • Michael Nielsen
    • Tufao

      All respects for PC Invasion and Paul Younger. Finally, articles that the Star Citizen development/marketing machine deserves.

      It was ridiculous to watch the press falling in the same repetitive consumer scam approach, year after year, that Star Citizen project have been using from the start.
      Now, maybe with more pressure, something serious could happen, because, what the SC devs are planning, clearly is to deliver just 1% of the game and make the consumers swallow that as mission accomplished.
      Rumors include they stopping to give refunds next year. Probably because, just as Roberts mentioned in the last interview during Gamescon 2017, that the game is already released, even claiming that 2.6.3 is major than 1.0.

      • Joe Blobers

        Tufao and his 5% of games and 2000 whales who paid each +80.000$ of pledges….

        2.3.6 is working on a Rig with standard config, mine: I5 with 4 cores (several years old model) + GTX 780 (equivalent to a GTX 1060)… 50FPS all the time except in PU due to Netcode… that going to be improved at each patch, starting with 3.0.

        Keep dreaming about ta game that never existed except in your head, that you dreamed so strong that you have been banned by CIG (the first banned congrats Manze) for team harrassment 4 years ago.

        It is coming and your pages of text won’t change it 🙂

        • Tufao

          ” all the time except in PU”

          I believe that me and everyone else stopped just, right here.

          • Joe Blobers

            Quote Tufao:”from my experience ”

            … your experience? of trolling SC article since 4 years… 🙂 So now we got grey market bots, me disguised in Master Troll… you forget Illuminati… next time may be 🙂

            • Tufao

              Certainly that sounds less ridiculous than the promises of Star Citizen releasing as promised.

      • SheaSnake

        That is one thing for Press to express a dissatisfaction about what can be considered as a lake of information and to follow your patch with scam and Jpges.

        Probably because many are backers and you have been banned long time ago. You are not a journalist Tufao despite writing more than 10 of them.

    • Railbydefault

      Good and true Younger.

    • Kuro12

      Well one thing is sure when it comes to SC, any article about it turns into a goldmine of entertainment.

    • vander

      The project shows a great insight into a game development. It would be great to see many other big projects starts to be more open about their development.
      It wouldn’t hurt if smaller projects would do that too. That could help people to give developers more credit and be ready to pay more (Sergey Galyonkin from Steam Spy) once they understand how big work software development actually is.

      • Tinus

        If they’d given an actually true insight of what is going on at CIG, then this project would have been closed about two years ago. It is nothing more tha a scam by now. Scam Shitizin. Never to be released.

        • vander

          What makes you think the project is a scam?

          • Tinus
            • vander

              I mostly disagree with MTBFritz but it was good to see someone at least trying to give arguments for his/her point of views. Unfortunately it is way too often like “It is nothing more tha a scam by now. Scam Shitizin. Never to be released.

              • Tinus

                Derek Smart has some excellent blogs why and how Chris Roberts turned Star Citizen into Scam Shitizen. He’s documenting this whole fiasco pretty well for 2 years now. The crash and burn of CIG is imminent now. It won’t be long before it will be clear that SC as turned into the greatest crowdfunding failure in history.

              • vander

                Do you hope Star Citizen would be the greatest crowdfunding failure in history?

              • Tinus

                There is nothing for me to hope or not. It already is the greatest failure in crowdfunding history. All it has to do to, is to collapse. And is isn’t anymore if it will collapse, it’s only a question of when it will. CIG won’t attent Gamescom 2018, that’s for sure.

              • vander

                I’m surprised you wouldn’t like the project be a success. Since the project is in development it is too early to judge it as failure. I think it would be a huge loss for (PC) gaming if the project will a fail. Unfortunately it seems there will be no other project like it so this is our only change to get game like Star Citizen.

              • Tinus

                No, it isn’t too early to judge and it isn’t in development. That ship has sailed. The latest performance at Gamescom showed that there isn’t any progress. Not since GC16. A single CryEngine level specially build for GC17 was all they had to offer. After 6 six years. Combine that with all the obvious moneyproblems and you know they’re pulling on a dead horse now.

                One of the problems with SC is that it can’t be build. Chris had a vision of the mother of all spacegames. A combination of NMS, ME:A and Elite Dangerous all merged together. And you can’t do that. Especially not wih a regular game engine. It’s like designing a car that is a towncar, a sportscar, a musclecar, a van and a army truck all in one. That can fly too. And be a boat.

                I’d suggest you look at Dual Universe. That’s a worthy investment. The only advise for SC is to get a refund is you still have money in it.

              • vander

                As you may know they are integrating techs at the moment so not all the work is visible directly to users. Also assuming that they have no work done in other branches that has not merged to Alpha 3.0 branch is a bit silly as well. If you take a look some for example a project like Chromium you may see tons of code done in a year but very little has changed in perspective of end user.

                I have already supported DUAL Universe. It is not quite a type of game I’m usually interested in but the project looks pretty promising and worth to support.

                And you can’t do that.

                I think this mindset is one big problem in a gaming business at the moment and yet another good reason why it is good to see people supporting CIG. Majority seems to be fine to play year after year some straightforward and simple AAA games and there is no need for big publishers to take a risk to fund ambitious projects.

              • Joe_Blober

                Quote:”Especially not wih a regular game engine”

                That is why it is always entertaining to read nay-sayers. They always pick a situation that does not exist or does not exist anymore.

                The merge of both Lumberyard and “Space engine” forks aka heavily modified CryEngine as turned the original engie in a product fully geared to handle real space volume, multiple physics grids and FPS all together. A dream? No a reality already today and even deeper with 3.0.

                Something according to “expert” that were NOT possible:

                – “Flying Idris: not possible!”…. two were seen fighting each others last week, both lauching internal fighters in a live session… impossible they said 🙂

                – “Seamless space to moon/planet decades aways!”…. seen by +35,000 people in live session and available to +600.000 soon, and even millions of players through Free to Fly week-end several times a year…. impossible said Master Troll…. a true expert for sure 🙂

                There is one single thing true in your ranting. There are planty of hgames to try all around and pledging to SC does not mean everything else do not exist. Coming from an early backer of ED and 3 others kickstarter.

              • Joe_Blober

                Quote Tinus:”CIG won’t attent Gamescom 2018, that’s for sure”

                …. 🙂 Are you talking about the game that was going to collapse for SURE as per the Master troll already in 2015…. 90 days top!…. 🙂

              • Joe_Blober

                This one is much better as it offer an alternate opinion based on facts and proven actions about why trolls and the first of them behave since years against SC community to try to hurt CR :

                https://sctrollsdump.wordpress.com/about-trolls/

    • Adept

      There is no way to do even a fraction of what they are aiming for on Cryengine. It’s double impossible under the “leadership” of Chris Roberts. If you have a lot of money invested in this, get it out while you still can. There’s going to be a run on the bank, and then no refunds for anybody afterwards. Remember that most of the money has already been spent.

      • Joe Blobers

        Do not worry Adept.
        There are more than a year of cash ahead without counting Private investors 🙂

        • Tinus

          Yes, you believe that. I’d like to see lose everything just because you are that stupid.

          • Joe Blobers

            Hating and insulting is such a bad behavior man… and you show it to all Readers.

            • Tinus

              Who’s hating? I’m not. I’m wishing something for you to happen because of a condition you suffer from. How’s that hating? I’m wondering how much of the readers are wishing the same for you with me.

        • ecg

          Can you please explain how you know this to be true? Are you privy to inside info? Do you work for CIG? Are you being paid by CIG to defend SC?

    • Joe Blobers

      What are you talking? $ sign have a meaning= currency.

      And Gamescom 2017 gathered more pledges than Gamescom 2016. That is a subtraction no need to have PhD (accredited or not) to get that 🙂

      • Marty

        Yet all we can do is take CR’s word on that. There is no way unless his books are opened to backers how many real backers there are. Hard for anyone to believe that money chart over at RSI, like I said truth is in the books. Talk is all we hear out of CIG, no real facts.

        Well other than nothing in 3.0 is actually there. No one has played it and sure looks like CR never has either.

    • Donald Trump’s Trumpet

      How can someone have a job in games journalism who clearly knows absolutely nothing about game development.

    • Donald Trump’s Trumpet

      Is Derek Smart the worse game developer in history?

    • Jeffrey Byers

      $158M isn’t that huge when you consider the amount of man-hours that are going into this game. They have peaked at over 300 people working on the game. THREE HUNDRED! Do the math on the salaries… also, the article implies that there may be ISSUES in multi-player, but if you actually spend much time on the SC site and see what they’re doing and how they’re doing it there would be no cause for concern.

      It’s truly amazing to see all the features they are implementing to make this an immersive, persistent Universe. Everything from the way destructive physics on ships work to the real-time planet rotation, seamless (or will be) travel from orbit to planet surface and more.

      I guess it’s easier to poke fun, and make quick highlights and quotes than to do in-depth research to really report the true state of things.

    • https://www.oxize.nl Oxize

      I think they screamed a bit to hard with their persistent universe. Now players are being putted into 24 player stacks.

      Persistent in my words is all players in 1 universe. They will never reach this. The engine and the netcode arent build for something like that. If they cant even hold up with 15 players now. Not even mentioning the fps issue which is high prior. Its kinda useless if you play a laggy 5 a 10 fps game.

    • Torb Inator

      https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/

      WThere was lots of arguing within our guild, but in the end the whales who had contributed the most had the final say, and we refunded our three completionist packages, originally purchased at $15k each, so $45k total refund. We sidelined many other great games and commercial opportunities waiting for Star Citizen, but in the end we can’t wait any longer, and a new generation is joining also who have absolutely no interest. The final straw was evidence presented the committee of Chris Roberts blatantly lying, we don’t mind the delays but couldn’t handle the lies anymore, and it left us wondering what else he is knowingly lying about.2

      • Joe Blobers

        Proven fake refund by CIG hours after first “revelation”….. 🙂 try harder Astormapproachs